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right here is some of the places where I had
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from the hill slopes and against the sides
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by the action of erosion this is where the
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site how far would you say up this way that
would be okay so the impact site started basically

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right at the base of that little Hill right
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the gouge Mark left by the object that was
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seeing the actual sight seeing the levels
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complete sense to me what Frank has come up
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Arroyo yes it's this one right here this is
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Mark so it skipped the hillside you know I
was really skeptical when we first came out

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and I expected to see a place where humans
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you would see trash but now that I've been
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that anybody's been out here so it's really
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oh foreign

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Frank kimbler welcome I believe for the very
first time to somewhere in the skies oh hey

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no kidding uh missed talking to you before
but not this time you've got me you've got

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me right here right in person right right
here right here right here in the crash site

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if you're watching this episode guys Frank
has a wonderful background for us about what

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we will obviously be talking about tonight
and that is the Roswell UFO crash a case near

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and dear to many people's hearts but um Frank
I mean there's been a lot of talk recently

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of UFO crash retrievals uh wreckage this huge
story that just exploded into the mainstream

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which we will touch on later in the show however
those are just stories until we actually you

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know see touch feel these things that they're
talking about and you are one of those individuals

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who's actually done that who's gone out to
a UFO crash site and found things and had

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them analyzed um so we're going to talk all
about that tonight obviously um we're even

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going to talk about the materials that you
handed over to me and I had tested and the

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results were let's just say interesting we
have developments on that as well um and some

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new things you found out there at the Roswell
crash site but I'm getting ahead of our entire

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conversation Frank let's go back let's rewind
for those of our audience who may not be familiar

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with you um what made you want to become a
geologist and what actually brought you to

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New Mexico give us the origin story if you
don't mind you know what the um uh it's it's

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an interesting pathway we all we all lead
lead like Pathways to certain things and when

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I was uh when I was younger I didn't really
think about being a geologist I started out

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being kind of like a pre-veterinary medicine
person um but I got interested in the geology

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side because my parents would take me out
we'd go rock collecting we'd love to drive

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on Old back roads and explore ghost towns
and everything in the desert Southwest and

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uh and I love going out panning for gold and
and looking for uh looking for things like

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that so it was really it was it that's what
led me down that path to uh to be a uh to

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be a geologist and then when I moved out to
Roswell Roswell Roswell was kind of interesting

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for me I I always uh I always loved uh you
know the the stories about Roswell but I didn't

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know that much about it but when I moved out
here to work at the New Mexico Military Institute

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as a as an instructor uh teaching geology
or Sciences um for uh for both college and

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high school I I took a keen interest in uh
in doing the the Roswell story and I wanted

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to apply some of my scientific knowledge to
try and find some touchy-feely stuff out there

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uh not just pictures but uh but some things
that might have been left over in 1947. so

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I guess my my question to kind of play off
of that is did you have any knowledge for

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knowledge of the Roswell UFO crash I mean
I would imagine moving to Roswell he must

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have known something about the case or heard
the mythology behind it uh what was your interest

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in UFOs prior to moving to to Roswell yep
uh interesting thing prior to moving to Roswell

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it was uh just films and documentaries like
a lot of people have seen before um and I

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um I just took an in a more of an interest
to it since I moved out here I'm going well

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this is cool and yeah I'll have to admit to
this that it was probably at least six months

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after I moved to Roswell before I went into
the uh International UFO Museum and I was

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walking through the museum there I'm going
you know what there's um there's lots of eyewitness

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accounts there's lots of information here
but there's no physical evidence and I'm going

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oh I've got a little project that I'm going
to be working on since I I live here now and

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I work here so I spent the time I bet I probably
spent two or three months sitting in the library

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reading every book watching every blasted
documentary that there was on Roswell and

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I'm going you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna
go out there and I'm going to use my knowledge

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as a geologist and some science and I'm going
to see if I can find some debris that was

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perhaps left over by the military back in
1947. that's the story behind that um it ended

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up being a quest um looking for it it's it's
like looking for a treasure like looking for

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a lost treasure you get kind of obsessed with
it and I still am because I I like I want

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that proof and then at a younger when I was
uh before long before I moved out here I was

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traveling across the United States and and
I saw a a UFO here in New Mexico it was uh

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far up in the sky a friend of mine we were
camped out at uh um trying to think of the

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campsite it's up by uh lost uh Las Vegas you
like State Park it's where we were camping

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out at uh and um the Ute Lake State Park we
were camped out there and what uh my friend

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of mine we were sitting by the campfire and
he says he says hey Frank he says look at

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that and I looked up in the sky and it says
oh that's a satellite you know you see them

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all the time little little point of light
just drifting across the sky he says no Watch

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what it does and I watched it for about another
15 or 20 seconds and this thing made a perfect

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zigzag across the sky and I'm going it was
making right angle turns and then it disappeared

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over the horizon uh in the blink of an eye
and I'm going oh I just saw my first UFO so

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that was pretty exciting and I you know I
I think since since that time I've I've had

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an interest in UFOs I know that uh a friend
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I was like 12 or 13 years old 14 years old
whatever um I really enjoyed looking over

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he subscribed to various UFO magazines when
they were really popular and I just got into

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it at a young age it's fascinating tell me
about it yeah age 12 for me brother so I'm

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uh I'm getting up there in ufology I'm no
longer one of the Young Guns as they call

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them but but um oh that that is what it is
um well okay so you moved to Roswell you hear

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the story you start going out how how did
you find the site I mean you know my first

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time being out there was in 2018 with you
and let's be honest I mean throughout the

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decades there have been you know rumors of
where the site was people say it's here people

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say it's there this that this that um how
did you personally triangulate or find the

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actual crash site I'd love to hear how that
process went okay so it's it's well noted

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as to where it is now it's it's documented
fairly well however back when I started uh

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it wasn't well documented as to its location
so what I did was I um I watched um I watched

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some documentaries uh especially that uh in
in read about the uh the two Sci-fi channel

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digs that were out there and I read the documents
that were related to that and they didn't

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give any locations to it but they had they
made one tragic mistake uh they put some pictures

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in there uh some aerial photographs and uh
so being a geologist and knowing how to look

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at aerial images and such uh what I did was
I call it back Engineering in fact this picture

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that you're seeing right here uh which actually
helps a lot that was one of the pictures that

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I originally saw and I took that image and
it took me a day or two to sort of triangulate

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where it was out there and then I had it um
once I zoomed in with Google Earth is a marvelous

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piece of uh research material but I was able
to zoom in on the site and find the exact

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location and then the researchers like Don
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in the right place so um that that was the
hard part it didn't take me long to find it

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and then I just went out did a just went out
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so right well and you know the image you're
seeing here and if you're just listening to

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this episode guys I would highly suggest watching
the YouTube version I do a visuals tonight

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uh because Frank this is a screenshot of the
television show Mysteries decoded that you

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and I took apart in and uh this was at your
Military Institute and this is you showing

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me the these topographical and aerial shots
and if I remember correctly another interesting

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bit to this how you kind of discovered this
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I believe was from something like 1946 and
then I think 1952 and there was a 54 excuse

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me thank you thank you and there was a huge
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you to also believe that this could be the
site is that something you could share with

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us oh absolutely um looking at before I went
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of course and I compared the 1946 images with
the 1954. I couldn't get anything uh after

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47 other than the 54. so the uh comparing
the two images side by side uh led me to believe

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that there was definitely some disturbances
out there and it was worth taking a look and

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sort of honed in on the specific area because
of what was showing up in the pictures this

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image right here is from 1954. it's the first
aerial photo I could find of this area after

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1947. there's something that I kind of honed
in on in this picture pretty fast and you'll

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notice this white area right here there are
a series of steps can you see the little white

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steps the little steps I refer to them as
Dozer tracks it looks like the sharp edges

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of where bulldozers have come in and sort
of scrape the land the military was cleaning

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the area up and they were very systematic
now if you come over here on the 1946 picture

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that line is gone so this has been changed
between them the damage that was done to the

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area happened after 46. now what happened
to the land between 1946 and 1954. I have

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actually found metallic artifacts within this
area and along the edges of those Dozer tracks

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small pieces of material those are those are
easy to do when you can compare and sort of

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Flash the images back and forth same resolution
same same size pictures it's kind of like

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they do to find planets up in the new planets
that's the way they used to do it you could

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Flash the images very quickly and watch for
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and that's exactly what I did with this right
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while visiting the Institute with you that
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reality sandbox um describe this for us I
was stunned when I saw this thing I think

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I have an image here let me pull that up the
the sandbox is is absolutely amazing because

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you can project um topographic Landscapes
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it recreate the the location so what I did
was I built uh the crash site in the sandbox

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so that I could show where the um where the
the object came down and where it traveled

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to um basically or not travel to but the this
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it left and that's it it's a fun tool I use
it in my classroom for uh basically uh topography

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and geology related things and it gives the
students uh they they go crazy when they see

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it I love it and again this kind of showed
you know for me at least and you can see the

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furrows that you've created in this image
that we're looking at here of um the water

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and how the runoff would eventually lead anything
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UFO um yeah you know the green Direction yeah
the greens and the Browns are uh are of course

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Higher Ground and then that light blue was
is the lower lower terrain um so it makes

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it really easy to sort of highlight and show
people what's going on so what I used to teach

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a school with here it's called an augmented
reality sandbox and this is a nice digital

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representation of the crash site and you can
make it rain simply by holding your hand over

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the top of it like this you can make it rain
so you can actually get a picture of how the

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water actually rolls off the land and where
it accumulates which is what I use to help

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locate some of the the artifacts so utilizing
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oh absolutely the odd it came in out out this
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what's referred to as a Furrow it's spread
out kind of in a v-shape and then according

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to the eyewitness accounts there was also
a gouge Mark and it's kind of an interesting

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thing because the metal artifacts that I have
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where the gouge Mark is how big was this crash
site this area is probably maybe uh twice

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the size of a football field but the debris
was scattered for a distance of more than

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half a mile so okay so you use this um you
find what you believe is the site um you go

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out there so that's where um I think a lot
of people out there want to know what did

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you go out there with what sort of instruments
or tools did you use to start looking for

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uh wreckage for debris that might have been
left behind uh yeah give us an idea of what

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was kind of year no Arsenal yeah my arsenal
of tools of course it was the the the uh the

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maps but I went out and in fact this is the
location right here it's just just in the

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background behind me um I went out with a
Fisher gold bug metal detector uh it can find

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it was an older one I still use it the thing
is amazing was like the either I think it

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was like the second gold bug that ever came
out uh that thing is so uh powerful and so

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sensitive that it can detect a BB size gold
nugget down to about three inches and I used

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it I used that exact same metal detector in
Arizona and also here in Arizona to find uh

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thousands of dollars worth of gold nuggets
uh so I'm very good at using it and so I took

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that out there and I started sweeping all
of the runoff areas um in fact you can see

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one of the runoff areas directly behind me
in this image so I started sweeping the area

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with uh with a metal detector and I got news
for you I was out there for a good solid six

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or eight hours swinging that metal detector
and didn't find a thing until the end of the

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day and then I got this beep in my headset
because I'm wearing a headset at the time

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and got pretty excited I was in an ant hill
so I uh I I dug down about an inch into the

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ant hill and here was this tiny little piece
of metal and the scary part about it is I

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when I held the piece in my hand I'm going
oh my gosh is this a piece of an alien spacecraft

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it was so lightweight it blew it out of my
hand and then I had to go and spend another

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three four minutes trying to find where it
had hit the ground um that that's a true story

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um so um that was the first fine but it was
not easy like I said it took a God uh six

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or eight hours of sweeping the metal detector
and I didn't find anything during that time

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so my arm was about ready to break off and
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down I didn't I'm very persistent very tenacious
when it comes to looking for things because

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I I knew something was there and then I found
that piece um and that's what started I named

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it a H1 stands for ant hill one and uh that's
what started all of this the whole thing because

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then I came back at uh later times and uh
it's when I found the buttons um um was following

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week following day I can't remember that was
a long time ago uh but I found the buttons

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that's that's them right there and uh in these
pictures so the military buttons uh were found

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and there was three of them spaced a couple
of feet apart uh they have been identified

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as uh basically military fatigue buttons dating
somewhere between like the late 40s early

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50s so I know they were out there this stuff
was buried three four inches deep in hard

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pack clay uh so they were old really really
old um and these are cool I think this is

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probably one of the coolest things that that
I found which is you know if you want to think

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of smoking guns you know military can't say
we weren't out there because these buttons

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are military fatigue buttons and I found three
of them out there so they were on their hands

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and knees maybe digging up stuff or uh I don't
think they had an orgy out there ripping the

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buttons off but yeah they were there's definitely
military buttons so they were found out there

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right well and the big thing about this too
is I I was I was stunned when you showed me

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these buttons and you were able to you know
get them analyzed that they do date back to

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when the actual crash happened I think a lot
of people's question is well they they got

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everything they recovered everything and these
things you know they they would have they

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would have found everything out there and
cleared it but I mean come on for anyone to

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believe that they got every single tiny piece
that was out there um it makes perfect sense

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especially when you said these these Military
Officers sent out there to clean up the debris

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site uh were on their hands and knees it's
very possible so a button or two popped off

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and they'd never noticed um the other big
thing is you said that they were found you

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know below the surface and this would make
perfect sense since so much time has passed

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right deep you know what I don't know whether
anyone has ever seen I and I'm sure lots of

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people have seen pictures of aircraft uh crash
sites uh the debris is scattered everywhere

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uh and it makes a uh it makes it makes a mess
and the the pieces yeah some of the pieces

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are really big but some of the pieces are
so tiny uh that they're gonna get buried and

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you have to understand that back in July of
1947 that was it was raining it was storming

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um stuff could have been washed down animal
Burrows uh carried down uh carried down slope

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washed into the little gullies covered up
by Gophers um all kinds of things can happen

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and so the idea of the military finding every
scrap I think is is kind of bogus uh they

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could not have found every scrap um so I've
been to other types of like super secret sensitive

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well not really secret but uh things that
were military origin one of them was the um

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outside of Albuquerque there was a broken
arrow event where on approach uh the aircraft

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literally the Bombay door opened up and they
dropped a hydrogen bomb um basically as they

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were coming in for a landing just outside
of Albuquerque uh to Kirkland Air Base there

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and when that thing hit the ground of course
it would have exploded there would have been

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no Albuquerque left because it was in fact
a hydrogen bomb uh but it uh it had some some

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detonators on the inside that essentially
blew up it scattered stuff uh over maybe half

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a mile or a square mile um military went out
there they supposedly cleaned it all up of

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course that was a top secret piece of equipment
there uh they didn't get it all um caused

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some acquaintances of mine had gone out to
the location which was documented and with

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metal detectors and they found pieces of the
hydrogen bomb um I have pieces of that as

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well uh so they you know the government claims
to find things and even the sr-71a crash sites

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uh which was a top secret you know spy surveillance
plane uh when those things crash they scatter

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stuff everywhere and people to this day find
stuff with metal detectors it's you can't

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you can't not find stuff if you know what
you're doing and you have a good metal detector

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you can find stuff right right and so we're
going to get to kind of my portion of this

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investigation with you um but I do want to
mention you know this this area is vast and

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I think my my investigative partner that looked
into this with Me Frank uh a Navy veteran

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Jennifer Marshall extreme skeptic when went
into this thinking oh this this kapook is

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going to bring us out to some random part
of the desert and there's going to be Coke

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bottles out there and and beer cans and and
that's what he found um but man we got her

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on camera literally admitting this is this
is not what I anticipated I I had no idea

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how remote this area was no life out there
whatsoever there'd be no reason for anyone

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to be out there partying drinking beers shooting
off guns I know there was ammo found out there

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at one point military ammo as well um so I
mean just going out to the site man it it

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it changed the mind of an extreme skeptic
in my partner almost immediately you know

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um up on the ridge uh actually it would be
to mine let's see which way it is uh to my

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left um so actually yeah to my left um in
the picture um up on the ridge I was out there

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with uh um Hanson uh from fact or fake and
um yeah Ben Hansen we were out there uh with

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metal detectors and we we and it's a good
distance from this it's probably a quarter

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half a mile away uh we found uh some um snuff
cans tobacco cans up on the up on the Ridge

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and uh some of all things a button from coveralls
but they were modern around uh what appeared

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to be a camp a camp thing up there but that
was a good distance from this this particular

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site which is directly behind me there there's
nothing there's nothing out there um there's

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uh you know there's no there's zero trash
nothing that you can see uh you know that

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that people had been out there now interesting
thing the little white area that is behind

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me if um looking at the image if you look
to the right just below that Hill um there

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was something kind of odd back in there and
what what was odd is that and these are old

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it looked like somebody had taken uh several
cartons of nails and just scattered them all

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over the hillside now this this is an old
trick it's uh it's used to uh basically throw

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people off when they're looking for things
I know that when I was hunting gold nuggets

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uh when people would find uh an area that
had some gold nuggets in it they would frequently

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go back to keep uh if they if the information
got out they would frequently go back and

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throw a bunch of nails and odd things in to
discourage people from finding anything so

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um that's really the only thing that I have
found uh out there that was might be considered

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trash but uh you know as far as like the buttons
and the little bits of metal they were they

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were buried deep so um it's remote you can
see in the picture there's not much out there

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well okay so I guess my next question Frank
could be before we get to the first initial

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testing of of some of these medals in total
how many pieces have you uncovered uh out

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there at the crash site um to the best of
your your memory over the years probably 20

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or 30 of which I don't have very much of it
remaining probably less than half maybe a

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third of it um some of it was destroyed during
testing um some of it uh during the um little

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misunderstanding I had with the uh Bureau
of Land Management uh some things were distributed

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around the country to make sure that they
didn't get uh getting didn't get taken away

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so uh that's but I have a little bit of it
yes uh in safe keeping okay good that's very

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good to know because yeah a lot of people
don't understand that for a lot of these tests

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uh things do need to be destroyed broken down
dissolved in order to do a proper analysis

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so it's unfortunate but you know that that's
sometimes the only way to to test these sorts

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of things am I correct yeah no no it is there
are ways to do testing on this material that

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is relatively non-destructive but there's
um only a handful of labs that can actually

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do it and it's very very expensive uh NASA
is one of them you can take a tiny little

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piece of something and analyze all the Isotopes
in it and everything without really destroying

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it uh the tried and true method is using uh
icpms and it's a fancy name for basically

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you dissolve the metals or whatever you want
to look for in in a liquid um and could be

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an acid whatever and then you put it in the
machine and analyze its Spectra uh you can

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get down to parts per billion with that uh
but it's also in the process you end up destroying

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the entire specimen uh while you're doing
it uh the uh the sacrifice of science right

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um well okay I want to get to the first testing
of some of your medals but you mentioned the

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BLM the Bureau of Land Management this was
a very interesting story that kind of happened

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um this is actually I had met you at a UFO
conference years prior however um this was

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the first time I had seen your name out there
like in national news and this is because

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the Bureau of Land Management actually wanted
to have a meeting with you and possibly even

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confiscate some of your materials that you
had found would you mind running us through

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this story you know what that that whole thing
and I'm I'm not going to beat up the Bureau

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of Land Management because that whole thing
was a uh was a misunderstanding more than

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anything else um uh they wanted to see it
they wanted to talk to me um I don't believe

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their intentions were to confiscate the material
at all um and I can't beat them up I I think

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maybe that uh well you've known me long enough
to know that sometimes I get a little excited

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and and but it might as I get older I have
uh I've come to the point where uh I don't

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I try not to I try to think through things
a little bit and this was something that uh

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I let's just put it this way uh I misunderstood
their intentions and uh they didn't mean to

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do they didn't mean to scare me that's essentially
what it boiled down to so it's all everything's

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fine and uh it's it's you know it made a big
splash because I made a big splash out of

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it but if I would have let it alone it probably
would have been okay there you go I that's

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what we need to hear man I wish more people
would kind of take that very um you know very

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how would you even say it um mature route
when it comes to this because there's so much

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conspiracy theory that goes with a lot of
this and um look your your involvement with

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this you know what I've made I've made a lot
of I've made a lot of mistakes Ryan and I

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and and a lot and we learned from our uh we
learned from our mistakes and one of them

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is I gotta learn not to be quite so hot-headed
about some of this UFO stuff and and just

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apply logic and some science behind some of
the stuff that I do and kind of think through

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it before I engage My Big Mouth

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welcome to ufology my friend I wish again
I wish more people would would use you as

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an example for that um but besides the BLM
thing they're uh there is another sort of

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conspiratorial angle to a lot of this you
got tests done with some of your materials

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and I want to kind of walk through the process
of your first test with these and what ended

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up happening with some of these materials
so yeah can you kind of walk us through the

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first time these and uh and got them tested
yeah tell us who what where so the uh uh so

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the very first test that that I had done was
was on this sample called ah1 and uh the ah1

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sample I basically uh contacted the New Mexico
Tech over in Socorro and they analyzed it

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with a scanning electron microscope and they
gave me some Elemental stuff on it and it

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came back as being a rather interesting alloy
uh might have been an aircraft alloy might

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have been unusual uh just just looking at
the compositions of it so I elected to uh

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to have some magnesium Isotopes done and let
me explain what that does magnesium Isotopes

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are like a fingerprint they will tell you
where this stuff comes from and uh it can

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tell you whether it came from the moon or
whether it came from Mars or whether it came

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from some extraterrestrials because some some
other star someplace it can even tell you

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what part of Earth that it that it came from
did it come from out of Africa did it come

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from the ocean um because we did a lot of
mining both in Africa and and it can tell

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you it can narrow down exactly where this
stuff comes from so I had some magnesium Isotopes

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done through Evans Analytical it's a EG and
G and I didn't tell them that it was roswell's

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stuff I told them that it was some aircon
aircraft crashed aircraft that I found and

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I wanted to find out where the Magnesium possibly
came from so they analyzed it for me and when

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the results came back I I can't say that I
was stunned I was pretty close but when it

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came back I'm going well this is uh this this
signature is not uh it's not earth uh it's

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someplace else but then going back and looking
at the data very carefully because I took

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a lot of scientific Flack on that um I looked
at it and what happened on that is the resolution

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of their instrument was not very high um and
it was right at the margin of error you know

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I'm going yeah it set the margin of error
but it's not dead center it's on the outer

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margin so I elected to have some more work
done and this is where some things got very

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interesting um that some arrangements were
made with uh ASU Arizona State University

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and uh there was only three people that knew
about the research that was made was myself

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the lab technician and uh another or the lab
manager and uh and the geologist that set

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it up for me uh who's also a UFO person and
so um we made arrangements to to I I wanted

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to hand deliver it but I elected to send it
out uh so um I sent it to them and this was

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another thing that I've learned to deal with
now you always take pictures of things you

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always like make you you do you document everything
very very well before you send it out so I

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sent this material out FedEx uh it was uh
essentially double packaged it was uh or triple

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packaged and even tape was around the object
I put the object my family saw it my family

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saw me put the the uh the fragment of ah1
in the plastic container and then it was all

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sealed up and uh sent FedEx uh well when it
arrived at the lab I get this telephone call

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that said where's the sample and I'm going
the samples in the plastic container uh that's

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inside the FedEx package and the lab manager
looked at it and uh said well there's a plastic

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container the plastic container is all wrapped
up with tape but there's nothing in the plastic

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container and I'm going I put it in there
and then we started going through all the

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steps she says well it sat in our uh in our
shipping receiving area for a little bit more

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than an hour uh before I got it and it got
there and it was sent FedEx they even paid

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for the FedEx shipment to go out there what
happened to that sample I don't know I blamed

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them for it because I think when they opened
it up with static might have lost it or something

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I I this is another one of these things where
I was putting the blame on them ASU and because

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of that they said oh you know we're we're
not going to do anything for you again because

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this made kind of a splash and and I I should
have just kept my mouth shut but uh it was

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one of these things where I got pretty upset
about it because that was 30 percent half

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of that specimen gone um and that is not a
good thing because that one was a very small

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specimen to this day um I don't know what
happened to that sample it just completely

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disappeared at least that's what the lab manager
told me and ASU is not uh not happy with me

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for making a big stink about it because I
said it was their fault when it may not have

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been their fault but who knows um that was
all over the internet all over all over media

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that that was available to me at the time
and uh it disappeared um now uh I did have

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somebody email me um it was Alejandro Rojas
so Alejandro sent me a uh an email and he

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said Frank he says did you know that you can
open up a a package using Ultrasonics and

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then you can seal it back up again and nobody
knows that you've you've gotten into it and

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I'm going really and I did some research on
that and that's actually a fact uh you can

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use some Ultrasonics to uh to open up packages
sound waves and uh take the material out seal

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it all back up again it doesn't even look
like anybody's touched it uh way cool um just

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adds to the conspiracy on this and to this
day that that package has has the package

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is there but the contents of it have disappeared
now I'm careful now I either hand deliver

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uh the specimens um and it's always better
to hand deliver and be present when analytical

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work is done to make sure that it's done the
right way uh and if there's no mistakes on

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it because I know enough about it now so that
I'll realize what goes on if there's mistakes

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uh now I and yeah I have shipped some things
out before but it's all been photograph and

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documented by multiple people so now I I haven't
lost anything since then not a single thing

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so that's the story yeah yeah very interesting
to say the least um now were there any other

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tests on uh between that one and the one that
I did in 2018 had there been the other testing

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yeah there's there's actually there there's
there's one other isotope test that came out

380
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:30,320
as being inconclusive it's another one that
didn't quite show up right and it was essentially

381
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,420
on that same same specimen another one so
there was two tests done and and they they

382
00:39:34,420 --> 00:39:41,319
weren't exact enough to get the answers and
then some of the other fragments uh have been

383
00:39:41,319 --> 00:39:48,030
analyzed and they have come back as being
um granite and I will admit to this uh there

384
00:39:48,030 --> 00:39:57,010
was uh one or two pieces came back as being
um aluminum can material um that's easy to

385
00:39:57,010 --> 00:40:04,560
recognize because that stuff was found essentially
on the surface and it's very shiny so the

386
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:12,680
material that is found on the surface and
is very shiny is may have been trash um and

387
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:18,760
how it got out there and shredded up into
little pieces uh I have some scientific speculation

388
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:23,750
on that that it was probably whipped up in
uh in cow feed or something and the cows ate

389
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:29,680
it and like essentially pooped it out um don't
know for sure uh but the rest of this stuff

390
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:36,500
the old gray stuff is different it's thicker
it's not shiny uh it's it's corroded aluminum

391
00:40:36,500 --> 00:40:42,430
and it's been out there for a long time because
it's been buried really really deep so um

392
00:40:42,430 --> 00:40:47,880
that's the uh and anyway getting back to the
analytical work uh some of it like I said

393
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:52,880
a couple of pieces came back as being trash
I will admit to that uh where it came from

394
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:57,540
I don't know uh but there are some people
and people there are some people great there's

395
00:40:57,540 --> 00:41:03,829
people out there uh there are some uh there
are some of the fragments that came back as

396
00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:10,339
being uh Alloys that are mysterious if you
want to think of it in other words I I can't

397
00:41:10,339 --> 00:41:18,900
figure out what they are uh the aircraft Alloys
uh maybe how they got there I don't know um

398
00:41:18,900 --> 00:41:24,970
there's also some unknown some unknown Alloys
um there's like a catalog you can plug these

399
00:41:24,970 --> 00:41:29,460
chemistries into a catalog online and it'll
tell you what alloy that it's made out of

400
00:41:29,460 --> 00:41:35,369
and what the designation of that alloy is
and some of the pieces are unknown Alloys

401
00:41:35,369 --> 00:41:39,540
um can we make them on Earth yeah if we put
the right chemistries together we can make

402
00:41:39,540 --> 00:41:49,109
the stuff but uh other than that that's that's
what I found yeah right okay so let's fast

403
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:57,180
forward to 2018 when I was working with this
television production company and uh we went

404
00:41:57,180 --> 00:42:04,090
out to the crash site with you I think I have
yeah I got an image here um this is you bringing

405
00:42:04,090 --> 00:42:09,240
yep Jennifer and I out there with your son
um one of the one of my bucket list moments

406
00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:16,359
of my entire life rank that was just uh incredible
I will never ever ever forget that day um

407
00:42:16,359 --> 00:42:22,340
and yeah you kind of ran us through you know
why this was the site you showed us the Arroyos

408
00:42:22,340 --> 00:42:28,430
where the impact was um the area kind of where
we're standing is where some of the debris

409
00:42:28,430 --> 00:42:37,770
was found and um you entrusted us to bring
these somewhere to get some of these uh tested

410
00:42:37,770 --> 00:42:45,450
and um I'm just going to be frank uh thank
you Frank but Frank in general I'm going to

411
00:42:45,450 --> 00:42:54,030
be frank I was extremely uh disappointed in
not only the initial results given to us by

412
00:42:54,030 --> 00:43:01,140
the lab uh but how the entire thing was handled
um so I kind of want to walk through that

413
00:43:01,140 --> 00:43:08,210
with you if you don't mind um going up to
2018 uh this is me holding one of the pieces

414
00:43:08,210 --> 00:43:16,099
that you showed me and again these materials
were so light it it just astounded me you

415
00:43:16,099 --> 00:43:22,059
know when I was holding these I was I I just
couldn't believe that whatever this was was

416
00:43:22,059 --> 00:43:31,530
as light as a feather we're inside this container
they are the material that I picked up out

417
00:43:31,530 --> 00:43:37,440
at the debris field you can see how they're
all twisted and mangled up these specimens

418
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:42,480
are untested but these are some of the things
that I would like to have some really good

419
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,680
science done on these things would you mind
if we held them it's fine go ahead sure they're

420
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:52,510
not you're not going to get some kind of disease
off of them or anything

421
00:43:52,510 --> 00:43:59,829
this one to me is interesting it's it looks
like it's almost curled back it's bent when

422
00:43:59,829 --> 00:44:05,030
metals are subjected to a lot of stress they
fold and bend and twist around and not only

423
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:10,119
that they they usually end up being small
pieces with Jagged edges or the edges might

424
00:44:10,119 --> 00:44:16,839
be melted it seems to fit a scenario that
something crashed at a high speed and that

425
00:44:16,839 --> 00:44:22,960
is the kind of thinking that I went on as
well this is insanely light and very very

426
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:28,339
strong you're right it's incredibly strong
for its size but not only that it was bent

427
00:44:28,339 --> 00:44:35,950
it was curled back um which kind of deduced
to my partner and I that whatever these things

428
00:44:35,950 --> 00:44:43,619
were were under high stress and some sort
of you know really extreme uh either heat

429
00:44:43,619 --> 00:44:50,220
or some sort of um pressure or impact if I'm
not mistaken is that kind of what you you

430
00:44:50,220 --> 00:44:54,770
deduced is that is uh that is true under a
microscope you can see that some of these

431
00:44:54,770 --> 00:45:01,910
have they're they're melted uh some of them
have what are called explosive curling uh

432
00:45:01,910 --> 00:45:07,809
so when you look at it they're curled up uh
that looks like it's been uh like when you

433
00:45:07,809 --> 00:45:12,780
shoot a when you shoot a can or you shoot
a piece of metal uh as the bullet goes through

434
00:45:12,780 --> 00:45:18,079
it kind of curls up on the back side and this
and this shows explosive curling it also shows

435
00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:27,220
some rather interesting things uh it shows
uh explosive impacts so there are several

436
00:45:27,220 --> 00:45:33,100
of these specimens that have holes punched
through them and these holes uh are generated

437
00:45:33,100 --> 00:45:39,280
by explosives how do I know this or it's been
been through an explosive event because it

438
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:44,609
makes that same when you flip it over it's
ending it on one side but on the other side

439
00:45:44,609 --> 00:45:50,020
you can see where the whatever projectile
was exited it literally curls the metal back

440
00:45:50,020 --> 00:45:54,820
and folds it back on itself so yeah it's it's
been through for lack of a better term a lot

441
00:45:54,820 --> 00:46:01,809
of these pieces have been through hell and
back so a little unusual unusual and does

442
00:46:01,809 --> 00:46:07,680
make you wonder you know had they been through
some sort of explosion um which could mean

443
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:14,420
a million things but could also mean some
sort of craft making an impact and and essentially

444
00:46:14,420 --> 00:46:15,790
exploding it could

445
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450
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:06,220
I want to get to you know what we showed on
the television show which was very little

451
00:47:06,220 --> 00:47:12,569
again um something I wasn't too pleased with
um in terms of uh the work done by the lab

452
00:47:12,569 --> 00:47:18,450
that I worked with and I'm not casting shade
um they did what they did uh it is what it

453
00:47:18,450 --> 00:47:24,200
is I wish there was more due diligence and
follow-up with that um but between you and

454
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:31,880
I we were able to get the the results of the
tests now in the show we showed um the two

455
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:37,810
of the individuals who worked with us um very
nice guys who who did the tests and it came

456
00:47:37,810 --> 00:47:45,589
back that um most of it was just aluminum
which on the surface seems very normal prosaic

457
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:53,720
but the further you dug into the actual results
the more uh it wasn't so simple um none of

458
00:47:53,720 --> 00:47:59,610
this ever is so if you don't mind Frank I'm
actually gonna pull up the the results that

459
00:47:59,610 --> 00:48:07,069
we got um absolutely so this is one more image
I'm going to show this is atlas testing laboratory

460
00:48:07,069 --> 00:48:10,690
this is where they were dissolving or had
dissolved the specimens and they were getting

461
00:48:10,690 --> 00:48:15,450
ready to test it which is what's correct little
vials are for right there that's the the liquid

462
00:48:15,450 --> 00:48:20,750
itself that they did the testing on yep so
I believe it was six samples we gave three

463
00:48:20,750 --> 00:48:28,460
were inconclusive due to um organic material
being found on them yeah that was interesting

464
00:48:28,460 --> 00:48:35,250
I didn't quite understand that um could you
demystify that for me is there a logical explanation

465
00:48:35,250 --> 00:48:40,809
for that I can I can try to demystify that
so three of the samples came back they said

466
00:48:40,809 --> 00:48:45,720
they couldn't they couldn't uh analyze it
because there was too much organic material

467
00:48:45,720 --> 00:48:51,809
um when they dissolved it there was a bunch
of Organics that showed up in the liquid so

468
00:48:51,809 --> 00:48:59,089
uh here's here's one here's here's two scenarios
on that um number one they didn't clean the

469
00:48:59,089 --> 00:49:06,830
samples uh because the samples were uh semi-clean
out of the ground directly from from me uh

470
00:49:06,830 --> 00:49:10,760
so they should have cleaned them they should
have cleaned them with uh with maybe alcohol

471
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:16,280
or Benzene or some kind of organic salt but
just to clean the surface to get any contamination

472
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:24,420
uh on them off so possibility uh the Organics
might have been from uh from the site um now

473
00:49:24,420 --> 00:49:29,790
the other scary thing is that if the samples
were cleaned and they dissolved them that

474
00:49:29,790 --> 00:49:36,869
means there was organic material within the
metallic structures and that becomes a problem

475
00:49:36,869 --> 00:49:44,880
and I'll tell you why yeah what is that I
don't know of of you know the technology this

476
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:52,230
this falls into the realm of uh of of essentially
organometallic or organic metallic Alloys

477
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:57,950
which exist but um why we would why they would
be out there I don't know and if the fact

478
00:49:57,950 --> 00:50:02,430
that they couldn't analyze them because it
was Organics tied up in that aluminum kind

479
00:50:02,430 --> 00:50:08,630
of alloy that is pretty exotic so it was either
a legitimate mistake or it's something exotic

480
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:13,589
and now we have a mystery on our hands because
we don't have any analytical data to go because

481
00:50:13,589 --> 00:50:19,580
those sent to go along with this because the
samples were destroyed

482
00:50:19,580 --> 00:50:25,421
this is just me living in regret there you
go there you go you uh that you know if you

483
00:50:25,421 --> 00:50:31,990
remember correctly I said hey can we get the
liquids back right uh never got the liquids

484
00:50:31,990 --> 00:50:36,540
back and that's because they were considered
hazardous materials so they could not ship

485
00:50:36,540 --> 00:50:42,800
those liquidy things to us and that is really
tragic because we could have taken that liquid

486
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:48,309
and had the liquid analyzed even further so
that would have been amazing if that could

487
00:50:48,309 --> 00:50:52,740
have been done so that was I wouldn't say
fishy it's just they're following the rules

488
00:50:52,740 --> 00:50:57,280
and regulations for analytical Laboratories
and through the mail system but I think if

489
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:02,590
it was sealed properly they could have sent
it through UPS or something uh ground um I

490
00:51:02,590 --> 00:51:06,040
would have gone over and picked it up by hand
if they they if that would have been the case

491
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,730
if they would have given it to us so that's
neither here nor there those are the only

492
00:51:09,730 --> 00:51:15,500
two scenarios either there was something really
weird in the samples or the samples were not

493
00:51:15,500 --> 00:51:22,500
cleaned properly before the test got it got
it all right well for the other three samples

494
00:51:22,500 --> 00:51:28,000
we do have those results so I'm going to go
ahead and pull those up here give me one sec

495
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:39,240
see if I can do this all right there we go
um so we've got we've got the official results

496
00:51:39,240 --> 00:51:45,079
here and I kind of just want to run through
this there's four pages Frank um let me know

497
00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:50,780
what's what's important and what's not um
as I'm scanning here I know it might be a

498
00:51:50,780 --> 00:51:55,170
little hard to see let me see if I can zoom
this in well there you go that's good oh now

499
00:51:55,170 --> 00:52:04,369
I can read it myself since there we go so
I want to go ahead and start with um the first

500
00:52:04,369 --> 00:52:10,970
page here that we see there is there anything
interesting on those top results there of

501
00:52:10,970 --> 00:52:23,280
nh1 and DF 31 5B uh actually there is uh the
the one that's uh the in in 1-1 um this just

502
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:27,390
basically what it's showing is it shows the
amount of molybdenum in there which is was

503
00:52:27,390 --> 00:52:36,830
uh this particular one we wanted to have it
analyzed because there was this some analytical

504
00:52:36,830 --> 00:52:43,550
work that was done at another lab showed a
very high concentration of molybdenum and

505
00:52:43,550 --> 00:52:47,960
this just basically showed that there wasn't
three percent molybdenum in this there was

506
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:54,140
0.004 so that lab which was up in Canada and
I wasn't present during that analytic the

507
00:52:54,140 --> 00:53:00,540
analytical work on that that was another documentary
on another TV show on this is what happens

508
00:53:00,540 --> 00:53:06,700
when when the science when a scientist mainly
myself is not there to question the results

509
00:53:06,700 --> 00:53:11,220
as they come out and it took me a while to
get those results back so there was no molybdenum

510
00:53:11,220 --> 00:53:16,079
in it which means that they made errors or
basically made errors in their isotopic work

511
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:22,470
that they did when they said it was um terrestrial
and not extraterrestrial in origin uh anytime

512
00:53:22,470 --> 00:53:26,600
you make a three percent error in the concentrations
of stuff that means your lab techniques are

513
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:36,290
not very good so anyway so this this was good
the the n1-1 98.6 it just shows the major

514
00:53:36,290 --> 00:53:41,720
concentrations of of elements and then as
we scroll down there's more and then the DF

515
00:53:41,720 --> 00:53:51,760
315b um once again shows uh very little molybdenum
in there but it shows that it is has a a high

516
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:57,450
high aluminum concentration 92.5 and then
we get we kind of boil down now this one is

517
00:53:57,450 --> 00:54:07,319
interesting uh the one called mag stress um
mag stress uh says 0.04 aluminum 0.002 molybdenum

518
00:54:07,319 --> 00:54:15,490
um and this one was the reason why it's called
mag stress is because this was a piece of

519
00:54:15,490 --> 00:54:22,490
iron uh that I found buried three or four
inches deep uh no rust on it not a speck of

520
00:54:22,490 --> 00:54:27,619
rust something buried in the ground that long
should be rusty this thing was not Rusty so

521
00:54:27,619 --> 00:54:31,870
we analyzed this and when we scroll down I'll
tell you there was a problem with this one

522
00:54:31,870 --> 00:54:38,840
they analyzed it now here's the other part
uh sh-1 couldn't be analyzed that was the

523
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:47,650
one that uh was really weird because uh sh-1
uh was that's the top one on this uh sh-1

524
00:54:47,650 --> 00:54:53,550
was one that we were looking for molybdenum
they didn't study it Roswell sink uh once

525
00:54:53,550 --> 00:55:01,510
again organic material and untested uh could
not be analyzed uh with their because of organic

526
00:55:01,510 --> 00:55:05,660
material they basically the lab said that
they couldn't touch these because the Organics

527
00:55:05,660 --> 00:55:11,390
would clog up their little atomizer nozzles
that they had and they couldn't do it um the

528
00:55:11,390 --> 00:55:16,510
rest of this is just they were using the National
Institute of Standards traceable elements

529
00:55:16,510 --> 00:55:24,990
in that as as a standard to to compare against
okay gotcha gotcha now comes the fun part

530
00:55:24,990 --> 00:55:31,079
okay yeah this is the page I was looking forward
to now we really get in the weeds of what

531
00:55:31,079 --> 00:55:42,510
was found in these yeah and uh N1 the N1 sample
uh 0.05 copper 0.5 iron uh small amounts of

532
00:55:42,510 --> 00:55:49,770
gallium uh more than half a percent of magnesium
some manganese in there uh nothing and nickel

533
00:55:49,770 --> 00:55:56,549
silicon it's got 0.29 silicon uh the rest
of this is sort of insignificant uh that's

534
00:55:56,549 --> 00:56:02,549
that's in there because it's very small um
they basically came back and oh back up to

535
00:56:02,549 --> 00:56:09,619
this oops sorry scroll back up here we go
yeah uh they said that this uh was basically

536
00:56:09,619 --> 00:56:17,830
a 304 aluminum uh alloy a similar to a one
one zero zero they were wrong on that uh because

537
00:56:17,830 --> 00:56:25,730
I sent this over to um I sent this data over
to well they used to be Alcoa and I had one

538
00:56:25,730 --> 00:56:30,980
of their they've changed their name because
they've the business changed uh so Alcoa is

539
00:56:30,980 --> 00:56:36,180
a aluminum manufacturing company and they
make all kinds of Alloys and I had I had those

540
00:56:36,180 --> 00:56:40,760
people looked at it they said well no this
is this is not a one one zero zero series

541
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:46,940
alloy and it's not a 3004 alloy and they gave
me some some examples of what it might be

542
00:56:46,940 --> 00:56:53,790
uh so they were wrong on this uh a 304 is
definitely an aluminum can so but it's it

543
00:56:53,790 --> 00:57:00,690
didn't it doesn't it doesn't match an aluminum
can and um so it's not an aluminum can alloy

544
00:57:00,690 --> 00:57:06,069
it's basically end up being kind of an unknown
Ally we have no idea what it is Kim could

545
00:57:06,069 --> 00:57:11,690
we make it here on Earth yeah we could make
it but it's an alloy that is not common and

546
00:57:11,690 --> 00:57:18,609
that's what it basically come out to when
I did more research on it interesting now

547
00:57:18,609 --> 00:57:24,710
when you did that research and you said you
know it could be made here um but what would

548
00:57:24,710 --> 00:57:30,109
it would something of that series that high
of a series I guess uh what would that be

549
00:57:30,109 --> 00:57:35,869
made for if I could it's not even a it's not
even a 11 it's not even a a thousand series

550
00:57:35,869 --> 00:57:42,430
alloy it's something else thousand series
are used for uh pie plates and uh um basically

551
00:57:42,430 --> 00:57:48,880
aluminum foil so it they were completely wrong
on that because to say that it's a 304 aluminum

552
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:56,780
and that it is a one one zero zero is is the
two don't even match you can't even put those

553
00:57:56,780 --> 00:58:03,210
in the same uh the same area uh so they were
wrong on this and and I caught that real real

554
00:58:03,210 --> 00:58:09,180
quick so right I remember getting the voicemail
from you yeah that was the interpretation

555
00:58:09,180 --> 00:58:12,990
that's the one I got rather hot about on that
I'm going to these guys are all washed up

556
00:58:12,990 --> 00:58:16,640
they have no idea what they're talking about
so

557
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:24,270
um let's see okay nothing interesting here
yeah this one was uh this one was interesting

558
00:58:24,270 --> 00:58:35,579
um this one you know one of these this one
came out as Bing and I I don't have that um

559
00:58:35,579 --> 00:58:41,640
I don't have that I made up a graph and and
I you know what I should do is uh Brian as

560
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:46,049
a I'm gonna send the I'm gonna send the graph
to you where it Compares these things oh great

561
00:58:46,049 --> 00:58:49,810
uh you can have that graph I'm going to send
that graph and that graph actually Compares

562
00:58:49,810 --> 00:58:55,390
uh some known things to some unknown things
and it's a very colorful graph done with uh

563
00:58:55,390 --> 00:58:59,980
and I as soon as we get done with this I'll
send it out to you okay um because to try

564
00:58:59,980 --> 00:59:06,819
to explain what's going on here uh this was
another one that basically ended up being

565
00:59:06,819 --> 00:59:12,849
kind of an unusual alloy uh so it might be
an aircraft alloy of some kind don't know

566
00:59:12,849 --> 00:59:17,410
why it's out there I don't know but this was
another one that was uh scroll up a little

567
00:59:17,410 --> 00:59:21,850
bit and let me see what they said it was on
this one

568
00:59:21,850 --> 00:59:28,690
ah they didn't have any information you can
just keep going down on this okay so this

569
00:59:28,690 --> 00:59:37,720
one was uh yeah so this one ended up oh let
me see what they got um now this one this

570
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:44,609
one is uh this one they were correct on this
so I stand corrected on this this was a 3004

571
00:59:44,609 --> 00:59:54,690
alloy but notice notice they compared it against
the 3004 aluminum standard and it matched

572
00:59:54,690 --> 01:00:01,900
however the 1100 series and the 304 doesn't
match so this one I will admit to the fact

573
01:00:01,900 --> 01:00:07,900
that this one was in fact similar to a 304
alloy which is used for the sides of aluminum

574
01:00:07,900 --> 01:00:13,609
cans that's what it's used for that well I
admit to this one they did right okay the

575
01:00:13,609 --> 01:00:18,839
other one the 1100 series wasn't right but
when you look at these like I said before

576
01:00:18,839 --> 01:00:23,560
and I'm not trying to I'm not trying to hide
anything or loot to anything there are three

577
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:27,940
or four different kinds of material out there
some of it is bright and shiny and that's

578
01:00:27,940 --> 01:00:34,150
modern stuff the stuff that's buried is the
stuff that's really old um oh the mag stress

579
01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:41,500
uh this one do the math take 88.9 percent
iron and add in all of this where's the rest

580
01:00:41,500 --> 01:00:49,800
of it that's all I've got to say do the math
interesting something's not something is not

581
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:54,640
right with this I have no idea where the rest
of this is but you know anytime you weigh

582
01:00:54,640 --> 01:01:01,480
up this it should be really really close to
100 might be 98 or 99 but if you do the math

583
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:07,440
on this I don't think this comes any I mean
look at the numbers you've got 88.9 iron uh

584
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:12,799
the rest of these are really tiny the other
one is 0.7 okay so that takes us up to uh

585
01:01:12,799 --> 01:01:19,120
90. give or take a little bit 0.3 yeah I'll
they did something wrong on this because it

586
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:28,670
doesn't add up it's not there so uh the results
on this were bogus completely bogus okay and

587
01:01:28,670 --> 01:01:34,579
see like this is a learning process for me
because I you know going into this project

588
01:01:34,579 --> 01:01:40,180
like I was told this was a very prominent
metal testing lab and I'm sure they have done

589
01:01:40,180 --> 01:01:45,900
great work in the past however it seems like
they did make a lot of kind of amateurish

590
01:01:45,900 --> 01:01:51,099
mistakes going into this um well I don't know
what do you think you know one of them was

591
01:01:51,099 --> 01:01:56,411
not cleaning the material um and granted some
of this stuff was folded over but they could

592
01:01:56,411 --> 01:02:02,779
have unfolded it they could have stuck it
in some like um organic solvents to uh it's

593
01:02:02,779 --> 01:02:09,380
not going to hurt the metals any to get rid
of that surface uh surface stuff that's on

594
01:02:09,380 --> 01:02:14,520
it um and um they could have done been careful
the one that's really disturbing is this iron

595
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:21,220
one this iron one just doesn't match so they
they put wrong numbers in there um and I don't

596
01:02:21,220 --> 01:02:25,280
know why I mean I'm it's pretty easy anybody
that looks at this you can add up all these

597
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:31,190
numbers they do not come out to anywhere near
not even 95 I don't think it comes out to

598
01:02:31,190 --> 01:02:38,120
even 95 so where's where's the missing percentages
of this it's all gone um right so it's uh

599
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:44,270
and it's it's a big chunk that's missing so
we're missing data on this either that or

600
01:02:44,270 --> 01:02:49,450
I'm missing something uh look at it yourself
and you can just glance at it I'm I'm I know

601
01:02:49,450 --> 01:02:55,320
the math uh 80 80 uh we're talking 89 roughly
and then add up all those small numbers and

602
01:02:55,320 --> 01:03:03,650
they don't even come anywhere near 95 or 100
not even close to it hmm right and what are

603
01:03:03,650 --> 01:03:08,480
what whatever those other numbers are what
are they is the real question too well yeah

604
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:14,440
that's that's the thing I don't know what
the others are uh it could be all the rest

605
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:19,280
of the elements if they are what elements
are making this up um yeah you know we've

606
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:26,460
got copper we've got iron we've got uh we've
got nickel and silicon and titanium um there

607
01:03:26,460 --> 01:03:33,510
could be carbon in it uh if this was a a high
carbon steel uh there could have been quite

608
01:03:33,510 --> 01:03:37,069
a bit of carbon sitting in there but they
should have noted that uh of course then they

609
01:03:37,069 --> 01:03:41,930
would have come back and said there was Organics
in there which would have been weird um so

610
01:03:41,930 --> 01:03:47,950
I I don't know um there's some stuff missing
on this and like I said the missing stuff

611
01:03:47,950 --> 01:03:54,420
is is intriguing uh it doesn't have anything
here that is just looking at it because I've

612
01:03:54,420 --> 01:04:00,609
looked at a lot of I being a geologist I've
I've sort of turned into a metal or just a

613
01:04:00,609 --> 01:04:06,910
a well as well looking over this this material
and in the concentrations of stuff um there's

614
01:04:06,910 --> 01:04:10,859
like I said there's stuff missing on this
but there's nothing in this that looking at

615
01:04:10,859 --> 01:04:17,130
it the way it stands there's nothing in it
that's unusual so uh you know it should have

616
01:04:17,130 --> 01:04:21,470
small amounts of copper it should have of
course it should have a lot large amounts

617
01:04:21,470 --> 01:04:28,450
of iron it's going to have some silicon in
it um so it's um it's it's unknown to me I

618
01:04:28,450 --> 01:04:35,660
have no idea what they did on this okay mystery
it's a mystery yep and you know I take I take

619
01:04:35,660 --> 01:04:41,039
a good portion of responsibility for that
um and I just wanted to kind of clear the

620
01:04:41,039 --> 01:04:45,369
air on that because I think a lot of people
were bummed when like we didn't find you know

621
01:04:45,369 --> 01:04:52,230
you know spacecraft but you know these uh
these production companies have a budget and

622
01:04:52,230 --> 01:04:59,619
uh I wish that and this is what I wish upon
any production company that that I deal with

623
01:04:59,619 --> 01:05:06,800
I wish that I could have gone there and witnessed
what was going on because I would have caught

624
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:10,900
the things that are going same thing happened
with the material that was sent to uh Trent

625
01:05:10,900 --> 01:05:17,460
University um during another show um not one
that we were on but a different one it was

626
01:05:17,460 --> 01:05:22,520
through the Discovery Channel uh they uh they
made mistakes up there and I would have caught

627
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:28,820
those mistakes firsthand um if I would have
been there to see what was going on so this

628
01:05:28,820 --> 01:05:33,720
is why somebody with some scientific knowledge
needs to be there now I will have to mention

629
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:43,319
this um bless their hearts uh Ancient Aliens
all right so they on their relics of Roswell

630
01:05:43,319 --> 01:05:50,569
I'm gonna have to say that they did they did
good work uh good analytical work except the

631
01:05:50,569 --> 01:05:55,680
really sad part about that is they left out
some of the best parts uh it would have extended

632
01:05:55,680 --> 01:06:01,990
the show and would have made some it would
have made some interesting things but uh they

633
01:06:01,990 --> 01:06:06,529
did they did some good work on that and I
was there when they did a majority of it and

634
01:06:06,529 --> 01:06:13,640
the rest of it was done um off-site but the
off-site work was through a trusted friend

635
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:21,369
not mine but the gentleman that did the original
analytical work uh which was Data plate uh

636
01:06:21,369 --> 01:06:25,170
name of the company they are a plating company
had they it's got some nice equipment for

637
01:06:25,170 --> 01:06:30,890
analyzing stuff because he does government
contract work um his good friend did the work

638
01:06:30,890 --> 01:06:34,930
on it and I've got the analysis back but some
of the cool things that they found they didn't

639
01:06:34,930 --> 01:06:42,640
talk about uh there was barium found in some
of the samples

640
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:47,460
it's an element you know it's similar to the
barium you know when people do like barium

641
01:06:47,460 --> 01:06:53,300
enemas or whatever or swallow barium to have
uh their intestines looked at for uh for x-rays

642
01:06:53,300 --> 01:07:01,029
barium is very heavy but barium is also a
byproduct of nuclear testing and uh the interesting

643
01:07:01,029 --> 01:07:09,400
thing is uh several of the samples had a a
relatively High barium content and the cool

644
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:18,049
thing about that is even if it was not part
of the alloy itself it would indicate that

645
01:07:18,049 --> 01:07:25,260
the metals came from the time frame of the
it might have been a Fallout that was left

646
01:07:25,260 --> 01:07:32,260
on the ground so it came from somewhere near
the same level uh on that level in other words

647
01:07:32,260 --> 01:07:38,869
it got contaminated from Fallout from our
first nuclear test um which would be significant

648
01:07:38,869 --> 01:07:48,500
because then that would help to date the material
sometime um closer to the crash event so that's

649
01:07:48,500 --> 01:07:53,539
why it sparked this being and they found some
other things too they they also found some

650
01:07:53,539 --> 01:07:59,420
weird uh silicon tubes and stuff under the
sem and they even admitted that it had been

651
01:07:59,420 --> 01:08:02,800
through an explosion and going what the heck
is this stuff they didn't really talk too

652
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:06,859
much about about that part they left it out
which was sad they should have done more work

653
01:08:06,859 --> 01:08:11,619
on it yeah but they did good work what they
had they just didn't do enough but they sent

654
01:08:11,619 --> 01:08:17,620
it all to me every scrap of it there you go
hey that's that's all you could ever ask for

655
01:08:17,620 --> 01:08:23,339
God bless I was taught talking to Giorgio
actually right before we got on here Frank

656
01:08:23,339 --> 01:08:28,319
and he was yeah I like your little excited
to hear that I was interviewing you so he

657
01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:33,850
sends his best um and yeah yeah I I got to
watch a little bit of that before we got on

658
01:08:33,850 --> 01:08:40,359
here and they did they did really good work
so I I definitely no people people out there

659
01:08:40,359 --> 01:08:45,480
in the UFO Community have a tendency to uh
sometimes bash Ancient Aliens but you know

660
01:08:45,480 --> 01:08:50,859
what they they they have if they have the
right person telling them the right direction

661
01:08:50,859 --> 01:08:56,830
to go in uh they do good research on some
stuff I'm say what you want I was impressed

662
01:08:56,830 --> 01:09:04,219
by what they did absolutely absolutely well
okay I guess Frank I do have some really good

663
01:09:04,219 --> 01:09:10,180
listener questions for you um

664
01:09:10,180 --> 01:09:16,299
waiting for that oh yeah we're gonna get to
those um two last things I want to ask you

665
01:09:16,299 --> 01:09:22,520
before we get to those however um the first
one being with all of the materials you've

666
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:28,500
had tested um you know even the ones that
we we worked with Atlas lab and everything

667
01:09:28,500 --> 01:09:36,009
um what do you think is the most compelling
or intriguing thing that has been you know

668
01:09:36,009 --> 01:09:40,759
uncovered so far with all of the metals does
anything really stand out to you is highly

669
01:09:40,759 --> 01:09:51,359
anomalous I I think you you know being a scientist
I cannot come out and say I have extraterrestrial

670
01:09:51,359 --> 01:09:56,620
material in my hand I can't do that because
you need to have in order for something to

671
01:09:56,620 --> 01:10:01,739
come out right you need to have three independent
Laboratories that are good Laboratories confirm

672
01:10:01,739 --> 01:10:06,659
the exact same information across the board
I've never been able to have that done uh

673
01:10:06,659 --> 01:10:11,740
we get onesies maybe twosies but not not the
third one and it's usually something goes

674
01:10:11,740 --> 01:10:19,610
wrong things disappear or whatever um so and
it gets to be kind of scary on that so uh

675
01:10:19,610 --> 01:10:28,770
here's what here's what I've got I have material
that is odd it's anomalous does it have the

676
01:10:28,770 --> 01:10:33,270
magical properties that uh that people the
Holy Grail where you like you know hold it

677
01:10:33,270 --> 01:10:38,540
in your hand and let it unfold no it doesn't
have that uh do we have some things that are

678
01:10:38,540 --> 01:10:45,400
intriguing uh as far as metals that are sitting
out in the desert yeah we do uh they are they

679
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:51,760
are intriguing things they are they're some
of them are different different in that uh

680
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:57,239
they're essentially unknown types of their
unknown Alloys but once again they can be

681
01:10:57,239 --> 01:11:02,440
made on Earth they're they're just different
combinations of of elements and it might have

682
01:11:02,440 --> 01:11:06,739
been errors in the work that was done on it
previously but some of the work was really

683
01:11:06,739 --> 01:11:13,190
good so it becomes it's still a mystery uh
in that I would like to say yeah these These

684
01:11:13,190 --> 01:11:19,830
are extraterrestrial and origin but mainstream
science uh needs to look at this stuff and

685
01:11:19,830 --> 01:11:24,370
they need to look at it very carefully um
and say hey yeah you know you've got trash

686
01:11:24,370 --> 01:11:32,270
from out there or you've got ET material out
there or you have pieces of stuff from uh

687
01:11:32,270 --> 01:11:37,080
airplanes that blew up on the sky or something
people need to look at it not just a geologist

688
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:42,960
that works at a local school in Roswell um
you need to have some good scientific evaluations

689
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:47,580
of this material and that has not been done
yet

690
01:11:47,580 --> 01:11:54,910
that's fair enough man I I love that that's
a again a responsible answer um okay so in

691
01:11:54,910 --> 01:12:01,489
terms of new stuff new discoveries within
the last few weeks you've been out to the

692
01:12:01,489 --> 01:12:08,090
site with a fellow colleague of ours Chuck
Zukowski actually and um tell us how that

693
01:12:08,090 --> 01:12:13,950
experience was we found more stuff is this
correct you know yeah no this was this was

694
01:12:13,950 --> 01:12:19,429
a whole crazy trip um and what I mean crazy
it was uh for one thing it was dead quiet

695
01:12:19,429 --> 01:12:23,810
out there there wasn't uh there wasn't any
noise that very little breeze I think the

696
01:12:23,810 --> 01:12:28,720
breeze was like maybe five or ten five miles
an hour at the most and and I know that because

697
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:33,060
uh there was a truck was flying trying to
fly his drone and I'll get to that story and

698
01:12:33,060 --> 01:12:39,020
he did fly it eventually but uh started looking
for things out there and had problems with

699
01:12:39,020 --> 01:12:44,100
uh what's called the ground balance on the
metal detector so the ground balances that

700
01:12:44,100 --> 01:12:49,030
uh it's the the ground makes a lot of noise
and it's going to call it static and you can

701
01:12:49,030 --> 01:12:53,790
correct for that so I had to manually correct
for static more so than I've ever done before

702
01:12:53,790 --> 01:13:00,830
uh yeah the ground it probably had rained
a few few days before because once you get

703
01:13:00,830 --> 01:13:06,180
down about three four inches the uh the ground
was a little damp not wet was just damp and

704
01:13:06,180 --> 01:13:12,989
that that every time the ground has been damp
out there I've actually found material um

705
01:13:12,989 --> 01:13:22,699
however um looked around for a while and uh
we found some stuff um but uh we found two

706
01:13:22,699 --> 01:13:27,710
two metal fragment space probably two three
feet apart uh buried once again a couple inches

707
01:13:27,710 --> 01:13:34,420
deep this is a picture of one of them right
here uh but here is the um the the ground

708
01:13:34,420 --> 01:13:43,699
balance thing was was bugging me so digging
this stuff up was pretty exciting uh but we

709
01:13:43,699 --> 01:13:48,449
directly behind where you see the truck up
on the ridge over there there was an interview

710
01:13:48,449 --> 01:13:56,430
that lasted maybe 10 or 15 minutes and the
camera guys uh basically they hadn't turned

711
01:13:56,430 --> 01:14:03,580
their cameras on uh this was new the batteries
were brand spanking new that they and they

712
01:14:03,580 --> 01:14:09,679
they mentioned this afterwards but we went
up to film and during the interview part of

713
01:14:09,679 --> 01:14:17,310
this not one but if I remember correctly two
cameras failed simultaneously the batteries

714
01:14:17,310 --> 01:14:20,850
drained and they were gone and we as we were
walking back they said we're going to have

715
01:14:20,850 --> 01:14:27,030
to reshoot this because uh we lost we lost
information we lost a film and I'm going well

716
01:14:27,030 --> 01:14:34,139
this this is uh this is crazy and um La was
with us and uh he's the gentleman standing

717
01:14:34,139 --> 01:14:40,340
there with the with the uh light colored cap
on and uh he he basically said that no we

718
01:14:40,340 --> 01:14:47,389
we got we got the material that we needed
for the film um but it was just that was strange

719
01:14:47,389 --> 01:14:55,010
so we started and we started walking towards
where the buttons were found and uh we walked

720
01:14:55,010 --> 01:14:59,219
and there was one camera rolling and they
had audio on and everything and we were we

721
01:14:59,219 --> 01:15:04,420
were walking out direction of where the buttons
are in about two-thirds of the way to the

722
01:15:04,420 --> 01:15:12,000
buttons uh the camera camera guy goes uh we
lost all audio it's God and I'm going what

723
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:16,820
they said yeah the the audio is gone uh and
they lost audio until we got to where the

724
01:15:16,820 --> 01:15:22,600
uh where the buttons were located and then
the audio came back on and uh he had marked

725
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:27,810
the area where the the audio loss was and
then we went back and there was no problem

726
01:15:27,810 --> 01:15:33,889
with it so chuck had a tri-field meter and
a try field meter shows magnetic fields it

727
01:15:33,889 --> 01:15:41,180
shows um electromagnetism it shows all kinds
of things but it shows three it shows magnetism

728
01:15:41,180 --> 01:15:46,430
it shows electrostatics and it shows uh uh
one other thing it's just called a tri-field

729
01:15:46,430 --> 01:15:50,870
meter the Ghost Hunters use it a lot it's
a nice meter and he says hey Frank take this

730
01:15:50,870 --> 01:15:54,540
and just kind of walk around and see what
you find so I was walking around and that

731
01:15:54,540 --> 01:16:01,969
thing was doing bizarre stuff um it would
be all quiet and then it would make a a jump

732
01:16:01,969 --> 01:16:06,580
um a real jump over to it's got a scale from
one to 100 but it would make a jump to ten

733
01:16:06,580 --> 01:16:10,409
and then like instantly almost within the
blink of iron then it would go back down and

734
01:16:10,409 --> 01:16:14,060
then it would creep up to maybe like onesies
or twozies and it would stay there for a little

735
01:16:14,060 --> 01:16:19,720
bit then it would go back down and while I'm
doing this Chuck is trying to get his drone

736
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:25,389
to fly and he says I can't get the Drone to
start so I'm going what he says no the Drone

737
01:16:25,389 --> 01:16:31,700
will not start I can't get it to fly eventually
it did fly so between the tri-field meter

738
01:16:31,700 --> 01:16:38,240
stuff and the ground balancing and the missing
the whole I've never had experienced that

739
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:45,610
out there it was bizarre uh to say the least
and I'm a I'm an open-minded scientist I'm

740
01:16:45,610 --> 01:16:51,270
going you know what this is to have all this
electronic stuff going on out here is is strange

741
01:16:51,270 --> 01:16:56,300
um I've never had it happen before although
I've had the ground balance issues out there

742
01:16:56,300 --> 01:17:03,820
before so I don't know maybe maybe it was
all the rains that uh that caused some disturbances

743
01:17:03,820 --> 01:17:12,699
or maybe there was there was something going
on it was odd it even felt odd which was um

744
01:17:12,699 --> 01:17:16,190
kind of interesting for me because my son's
been out there with me before he won't go

745
01:17:16,190 --> 01:17:21,350
out there anymore because he said that uh
uh it creeps him out because he gets odd feelings

746
01:17:21,350 --> 01:17:26,960
well when I was out there this time I've got
odd feelings like I haven't had before so

747
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:33,310
all right this is this is strange I I don't
know why I was doing that uh maybe it was

748
01:17:33,310 --> 01:17:39,390
alien ghosts or something I have no idea but
it was it was it was a very strange day it

749
01:17:39,390 --> 01:17:45,940
was a fun day um professional film crew that's
out there I can't wait to see this it's a

750
01:17:45,940 --> 01:17:50,730
little documentary that's going to come out
here probably in August uh and I can't wait

751
01:17:50,730 --> 01:17:58,199
to to see it because it was it was all uh
well it was done very very well and they um

752
01:17:58,199 --> 01:18:03,710
they they got the discovery of the metal um
on film which is only the second time that

753
01:18:03,710 --> 01:18:10,460
that's ever happened so it's all very very
well documented in even some talk about the

754
01:18:10,460 --> 01:18:14,969
strangeness that was going on out there and
it was it was all shot live so I'm going this

755
01:18:14,969 --> 01:18:21,230
is this is pretty wild so I hope I'm not disclosing
any too much of anything on this but it was

756
01:18:21,230 --> 01:18:27,040
an amazing trip that was out there and we
found two pieces of metal now as far as analytical

757
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:31,220
work I'm trying to get in touch with some
Labs right now they have not responded to

758
01:18:31,220 --> 01:18:39,110
me which is uh kind of interesting because
a lot of times when I make requests uh the

759
01:18:39,110 --> 01:18:44,720
they don't respond and I have to send out
multi sometimes even have to call up uh sometimes

760
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:50,210
they won't respond uh but usually the universities
are good so I'm trying to contact universities

761
01:18:50,210 --> 01:18:53,810
to have their work done because they they
do some of the best and if worse comes to

762
01:18:53,810 --> 01:19:00,060
worse I will uh contact the folks that did
some work with Ancient Aliens and I'll say

763
01:19:00,060 --> 01:19:03,739
hey how about analyzing this for me and now
I'm sure they'll be glad to do and they won't

764
01:19:03,739 --> 01:19:11,910
charge me much but I wanted to get a um I
wanted to get a university to look at it that's

765
01:19:11,910 --> 01:19:17,520
where it stands well nothing uh nothing Earth
shattering yet although this is the piece

766
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:23,290
that you see here is one of the two pieces
that that were found I found them both and

767
01:19:23,290 --> 01:19:29,050
uh that looks identical to this one's really
dirty I I hasn't been cleaned up that's what

768
01:19:29,050 --> 01:19:34,590
it looks like when it comes out of the ground
it was buried two three inches deep um lots

769
01:19:34,590 --> 01:19:40,550
of ground balancing static all in the area
like I said but it was it was a fun day and

770
01:19:40,550 --> 01:19:46,889
I didn't expect to find anything at all um
so this was kind of a neat little Discovery

771
01:19:46,889 --> 01:19:54,409
out there more things to be found exactly
more things to be found and analyzed that's

772
01:19:54,409 --> 01:20:00,120
all we can really ask for at this point um
awesome man well hey let's move to these listener

773
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:06,010
questions you know I I promised you we wouldn't
we wouldn't be here for four hours like Coast

774
01:20:06,010 --> 01:20:12,590
to Coast AM as much as I admire their work
over there but um I do want to get you out

775
01:20:12,590 --> 01:20:18,630
of here four hours is good I know we could
talk for four hours on or off camera um let's

776
01:20:18,630 --> 01:20:25,580
start with this listener question um from
Ryan on Facebook and he asks have any of the

777
01:20:25,580 --> 01:20:31,420
pieces you found been looked at by Gary Nolan
and if so what did he make of them have you

778
01:20:31,420 --> 01:20:38,070
ever worked with uh Dr Gary Nolan no I have
not worked with Nolan as far as I know uh

779
01:20:38,070 --> 01:20:43,020
he has not looked at this this material at
all I don't even know I don't even recognize

780
01:20:43,020 --> 01:20:47,270
the name if I did maybe it's my covid brain
cells that are short-circuited or something

781
01:20:47,270 --> 01:20:52,750
but I don't remember the name at all okay
that's fair I know he worked on some materials

782
01:20:52,750 --> 01:20:59,750
with Jacques valet and possibly to the Stars
Academy when they were so in which case uh

783
01:20:59,750 --> 01:21:05,880
in which case no but uh I can tell you that
Hal put off looked at some of this material

784
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:10,040
early on uh

785
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:14,310
basically the answers that I got back for
them were kind of sketchy and inconclusive

786
01:21:14,310 --> 01:21:17,929
so I didn't trust the results that I got back
it wasn't to the story that was how put off

787
01:21:17,929 --> 01:21:23,290
that did the work at his Earth Tech Lab uh
didn't like the analytical work that was done

788
01:21:23,290 --> 01:21:29,120
they had an air hard to explain that I don't
think they did it right but later on when

789
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:33,350
I got the Isotopes back Hal putoff contacted
me and said hey if you want to get some more

790
01:21:33,350 --> 01:21:37,810
work done I'll I'll uh you know I'll pay for
it I never followed up um I hate to say this

791
01:21:37,810 --> 01:21:45,520
didn't trust him at the time so um interesting
God's honest truth so that's where that stands

792
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:55,520
it's fair it's fair um okay Eric on Twitter
asks why was there uh why was there remaining

793
01:21:55,520 --> 01:22:01,080
evidence oh that this is a good question Eric
says why was there remaining evidence to begin

794
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:06,699
with we kind of covered that in terms of why
there would still be stuff out there you know

795
01:22:06,699 --> 01:22:12,489
it's uh it's interesting thing all right so
the story behind Roswell in the uh in in the

796
01:22:12,489 --> 01:22:23,679
recovery um many many days uh military basically
walking side by side some of them according

797
01:22:23,679 --> 01:22:28,659
to the stories on their hands and knees just
crawling crisscrossing this around multiple

798
01:22:28,659 --> 01:22:33,790
times picking up every single thing that they
could possibly find uh putting it in a bag

799
01:22:33,790 --> 01:22:39,400
um you know if it doesn't move put it in a
bag I think that's uh don Schmidt mentions

800
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:44,920
that a lot in this thing so so yeah they they
uh they picked up they picked up everything

801
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:50,290
that was laying on the surface so they could
see now the issue at hand comes with a uh

802
01:22:50,290 --> 01:22:58,270
a typical uh crash site is that there are
uh there's probably a tens of thousands of

803
01:22:58,270 --> 01:23:04,830
tiny little pieces that like I said get washed
into the burrow holes get carried away blown

804
01:23:04,830 --> 01:23:09,290
in the wind or whatever and recycled now it
was raining out there and it was storming

805
01:23:09,290 --> 01:23:15,060
at the time that this took place um and so
I suspect that a lot of things a lot of the

806
01:23:15,060 --> 01:23:20,600
smaller stuff was washed away and the only
way the government could gotten it all is

807
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:28,350
that they would have taken gone in here and
scooped up a quarter of a mile of land and

808
01:23:28,350 --> 01:23:33,659
maybe a foot deep and carted it all off that
I didn't see so they did the best they could

809
01:23:33,659 --> 01:23:38,030
with what they had and they uh they could
not have gotten all of the little pieces there

810
01:23:38,030 --> 01:23:45,870
are little pieces left out there still need
some work done on it it's fair um all right

811
01:23:45,870 --> 01:23:52,520
last listener question here Frank UFO detective
on Twitter asks if you ever found a piece

812
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:59,310
of a craft that verifiably is alien what would
be the strategy for informing the public and

813
01:23:59,310 --> 01:24:03,639
how would you stop the government from taking
it and keeping it as a secret

814
01:24:03,639 --> 01:24:13,760
it's a good question uh these days you don't
keep if you keep stuff like that secret it's

815
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:23,000
going to uh you're liable to lose it the absolute
best thing to do is to uh contact the media

816
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:29,730
instantaneously get press releases get the
newspaper get the media get everybody get

817
01:24:29,730 --> 01:24:36,489
get YouTube get you get all of the UFO people
in the world jumping on the bad wagon and

818
01:24:36,489 --> 01:24:42,420
shove it all out on the media as fast as possible
get the information out there as quick as

819
01:24:42,420 --> 01:24:49,570
you can um You Gotta Be One Step Above anybody
that might want to take the material so yeah

820
01:24:49,570 --> 01:24:56,270
if I had let's say I was defined a piece of
that wonderful material that folds up and

821
01:24:56,270 --> 01:25:03,659
then unfolds in your hand um that would be
an instantaneous uh in the media as fast as

822
01:25:03,659 --> 01:25:10,260
absolutely possible and that's the way to
deal with this uh if you beat around the bush

823
01:25:10,260 --> 01:25:18,770
uh it's things are liable to get confiscated
um maybe maybe not uh but basically uh you

824
01:25:18,770 --> 01:25:22,100
need to open your big mouth and run with it
on that case that's exactly what you need

825
01:25:22,100 --> 01:25:31,210
to do it's my honest opinion I love it I love
it man um well that kind of brings us to literally

826
01:25:31,210 --> 01:25:38,560
today the last few days we had this explosive
Story come out in the media uh first through

827
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:45,540
the debrief attack News website and also through
news nation and the investigative journalist

828
01:25:45,540 --> 01:25:50,850
Frost colthard and they sort of simultaneously
came out with the story of this gentleman

829
01:25:50,850 --> 01:25:58,909
Derek Rush who is now being coined a military
whistleblower who uh oh yeah was given information

830
01:25:58,909 --> 01:26:07,239
about UFO crash retrieval programs that have
been going on for even earlier than 1947.

831
01:26:07,239 --> 01:26:14,170
um so before I get to the Roswell question
of that what did you make of this when this

832
01:26:14,170 --> 01:26:19,340
information first came forward Frank what
was your sort of knee-jerk reaction and where

833
01:26:19,340 --> 01:26:26,220
do you stand right now on that entire story
it's crazy if any of this is actually true

834
01:26:26,220 --> 01:26:31,560
you know what the very the very first time
I I saw that and uh I'm going oh yeah I like

835
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:36,170
that I like the knee-jerk thing because you
know I have a tendency to jump jump the gun

836
01:26:36,170 --> 01:26:40,560
on a lot of things I says oh great here's
another one of these things where there's

837
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:47,400
no proof no pictures no video no nothing uh
whatsoever and I even mentioned that on a

838
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:50,739
couple of Facebook posts and then then I thought
about this for a little while and I'm going

839
01:26:50,739 --> 01:26:55,679
you know what I said this guy's got a lot
of guts um not only does he have guts but

840
01:26:55,679 --> 01:27:03,820
we need more people like him to come forward
and basically um tell the public what's going

841
01:27:03,820 --> 01:27:12,060
on because the more people like the whistleblowers
that come out that have verifiable credentials

842
01:27:12,060 --> 01:27:17,369
that have seen this stuff that know about
what the government is doing we need more

843
01:27:17,369 --> 01:27:25,050
of those people to come forward and to uh
and to talk about this without uh um people

844
01:27:25,050 --> 01:27:30,250
coming back and saying oh yeah you know show
me a piece of it uh and that was my very first

845
01:27:30,250 --> 01:27:35,280
reaction but when I got to thinking about
what this gentleman had gone through uh I'm

846
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:40,330
going okay you know what this is this is pretty
amazing pretty startling stuff and we need

847
01:27:40,330 --> 01:27:48,790
more like him out there uh to come forward
um on that note uh speaking of Roswell uh

848
01:27:48,790 --> 01:27:55,460
real quick uh I'll mention this you know Ryan
a lot of people back and people still do this

849
01:27:55,460 --> 01:27:59,200
today when they go on vacations when they
find little trinkets they stick them in their

850
01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:03,989
jewelry box uh they stash it away little little
bits of pieces I mean it used to be people

851
01:28:03,989 --> 01:28:08,889
oh I have a little piece of a mummy from Egypt
or I have some sand from whatever you know

852
01:28:08,889 --> 01:28:14,400
what I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna take a wild guess
that there's some people out there that could

853
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:20,030
very well have some fragments of the Roswell
crash that are sitting in their jewelry box

854
01:28:20,030 --> 01:28:26,020
that they've never disclosed for fear that
uh they would get shot or killed or drug out

855
01:28:26,020 --> 01:28:29,469
into the desert or something like that and
they probably show it to family members and

856
01:28:29,469 --> 01:28:34,159
things like that I'd love it if those people
would come forward with this stuff and say

857
01:28:34,159 --> 01:28:37,850
hey you know what this this is what sits in
my jewelry box I would love that that would

858
01:28:37,850 --> 01:28:43,600
just Delight me to no end I absolutely you
know and there have been those rumors that

859
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:49,760
Jesse Marcel had some stuff stashed away in
his house uh God knows if that's true or for

860
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:56,800
uh we'll ever see it but um talk about like
you know OG original whistleblowers that was

861
01:28:56,800 --> 01:29:02,250
definitely one of them um for sure but uh
yeah so these you know the whistleblowers

862
01:29:02,250 --> 01:29:08,739
we just we need we need to have more like
them and uh um they they need they need to

863
01:29:08,739 --> 01:29:13,260
come forward they need to do this um you know
I I don't have any books out there and you

864
01:29:13,260 --> 01:29:17,650
know a lot of people don't know who I am except
within the UFO Community they people know

865
01:29:17,650 --> 01:29:23,050
who I'm at because I I do good research at
least I think I do good research on this notebooks

866
01:29:23,050 --> 01:29:28,000
have lots of little documentaries out there
in in such which I dearly enjoy doing in in

867
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:32,720
things like this uh and I give talks and stuff
like that but you know it's the the people

868
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:39,000
that uh the people that are gonna make a difference
are like the The Whistleblower um that came

869
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:43,730
forward and there's been a couple of those
that are out there and they need to they need

870
01:29:43,730 --> 01:29:50,170
to speak up um they need to do that because
you know the people of the world need to know

871
01:29:50,170 --> 01:29:56,460
this think of think of the technology uh you
know we always like to go on the premise of

872
01:29:56,460 --> 01:30:04,800
National Security but um think of the energy
sector uh think of think of what it would

873
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:10,330
do to Society on yeah you know they're going
to say yeah could disrupt Society but um I

874
01:30:10,330 --> 01:30:14,989
don't think so I think it would Propel us
into the the time frames of like Star Trek

875
01:30:14,989 --> 01:30:19,960
or something like that maybe I'm a dreamer
or whatever but uh you know it all started

876
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:27,660
in that uh in the Star Trek movie First Contact
uh where the uh the Vulcans landed and that's

877
01:30:27,660 --> 01:30:33,580
what started that's what started our whole
exploration of space was that uh deep space

878
01:30:33,580 --> 01:30:39,460
because you know hey they saw our signature
from our first warp drive so uh and that's

879
01:30:39,460 --> 01:30:43,510
what and then they shared all their technology
with us because they knew that we were ready

880
01:30:43,510 --> 01:30:48,560
for it um I think we're ready for a lot of
things and I think we need to do that if we

881
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:52,180
could just take enough time to stop fighting
with each other on the planet pay attention

882
01:30:52,180 --> 01:30:56,380
to some stuff that's that's going on out there
I think it would Delight the world I think

883
01:30:56,380 --> 01:31:02,100
it would make it a much better place than
it is right now absolutely I could not agree

884
01:31:02,100 --> 01:31:09,940
with you more on that man um well in terms
of this story and Roswell so this David Rush

885
01:31:09,940 --> 01:31:17,140
he claims that at least 12 UFO crashes and
retrievals that he's aware of of intact or

886
01:31:17,140 --> 01:31:24,450
partially intact craft have occurred and he
was asked by Ross colthard when asked if one

887
01:31:24,450 --> 01:31:29,300
of those was Roswell this was the exchange
Colbert said what can you tell me about the

888
01:31:29,300 --> 01:31:34,870
Roswell craft grush said unfortunately those
details were not approved for me to talk about

889
01:31:34,870 --> 01:31:40,719
right now cold thought said it seems ridiculous
to me how the US Air Force changed its story

890
01:31:40,719 --> 01:31:45,929
Crush said yeah and they added additional
elements over time and tried to conflate additional

891
01:31:45,929 --> 01:31:54,080
programs to explain some of these events so
what do you make of these Frank a lot of people

892
01:31:54,080 --> 01:32:01,620
want to know ah gosh why can't he talk about
Roswell well he doesn't know uh he he's um

893
01:32:01,620 --> 01:32:08,320
and this is like speculation on my part um
he does know that the government will expand

894
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:12,490
things and hide things he knows that and and
he mentioned that he was very careful about

895
01:32:12,490 --> 01:32:17,679
his wording on that uh so he may not know
but he knows that there was stuff that was

896
01:32:17,679 --> 01:32:24,730
covered up and and he knows that uh and that
is that's the exciting part about the the

897
01:32:24,730 --> 01:32:28,540
information that that he gave that he could
give out that he knew about I think it was

898
01:32:28,540 --> 01:32:35,000
honest about what he said um he basically
made it known he says yeah you know the government

899
01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:40,610
hides things and the government tries to uh
to twist the truth around and that's what

900
01:32:40,610 --> 01:32:46,190
they do and call it uh to protect National
Security he may not have mentioned that specifically

901
01:32:46,190 --> 01:32:53,810
but uh that's what they do that for and uh
he was just laying out the facts that the

902
01:32:53,810 --> 01:33:01,090
the Roswell information has been distorted
and contorted over the years and it was essentially

903
01:33:01,090 --> 01:33:05,080
manufactured by the government not the crash
itself but the stories that come out and what

904
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:09,330
they found which was they found stuff that
they covered up as fast as they could that's

905
01:33:09,330 --> 01:33:16,580
my take on it yep can I agree more well that
kind of um that flows right into kind of my

906
01:33:16,580 --> 01:33:24,560
last two-pronged crash question for you Frank
um the first being what do you personally

907
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:33,139
as Frank kimbler believe crashed in Roswell
in 1947 and on top of that do you think we

908
01:33:33,139 --> 01:33:40,600
will ever truly know the public will ever
truly know what that was okay so what crashed

909
01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:45,989
in this in Roswell this is it was it was something
of Unknown Origin we didn't know where it

910
01:33:45,989 --> 01:33:50,710
came from so you know what let's take a look
I'm very open-minded it could have been extraterrestrial

911
01:33:50,710 --> 01:33:57,489
could have been interdimensional which is
always an interesting story on that um so

912
01:33:57,489 --> 01:34:01,600
something crashed out there something unusual
in the government covered up that's my thoughts

913
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:07,600
on this and I I have no other I don't think
anyone can convince me otherwise that it was

914
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:14,380
not something unusual that crashed out out
here uh E.T interdimensional maybe it was

915
01:34:14,380 --> 01:34:20,070
from our future who knows uh misery to me
something uh something got our people riled

916
01:34:20,070 --> 01:34:28,500
up uh our government people riled up and uh
that's the story behind that and then um the

917
01:34:28,500 --> 01:34:35,680
well we ever I think we will um I think if
we have sufficient evidence right now just

918
01:34:35,680 --> 01:34:42,090
in testimonies alone that would actually hold
up in a court of law about people that have

919
01:34:42,090 --> 01:34:45,490
said hey you know something crashed out there
the government did this the government did

920
01:34:45,490 --> 01:34:50,940
that um so that would actually hold up uh
the testimony would hold up and I think it

921
01:34:50,940 --> 01:34:58,980
would hold up very strong um and I think that
um I think that Roswell the future of it is

922
01:34:58,980 --> 01:35:05,110
it'll come out you know I think everybody's
dead now that had something to do with the

923
01:35:05,110 --> 01:35:08,990
original crash at least the vast majority
so now we're getting second hand and third

924
01:35:08,990 --> 01:35:15,260
hand accounts of what uh what happened that's
passed down uh from generation to generation

925
01:35:15,260 --> 01:35:23,929
but um now now I think is the time to uh for
that information to be let out I I'd like

926
01:35:23,929 --> 01:35:28,750
to see it all let out I really would um I
I think I think the population of the world

927
01:35:28,750 --> 01:35:34,770
is ready for it and I think uh I think Roswell
is one of those things that if it's not Roswell

928
01:35:34,770 --> 01:35:42,880
could be other ones uh that are out there
uh that we know about um and so yeah um crash

929
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:49,680
retrievals crash recovery I think that uh
that we should disclose the information and

930
01:35:49,680 --> 01:35:54,239
people have been asking for that for a long
time it's coming it seems to be fed to us

931
01:35:54,239 --> 01:35:59,510
a little bit at a time I mean with the with
the Tic Tacs and and those cool videos that

932
01:35:59,510 --> 01:36:04,240
are out there that those were when I first
saw those I'm going okay this one's gonna

933
01:36:04,240 --> 01:36:08,960
be a little bit a little bit hard to just
blow off okay you just can't can't do that

934
01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:14,500
it's we've got stuff that uh that basically
stumps our pilots and stumps our military

935
01:36:14,500 --> 01:36:19,090
and we don't know what the heck it is and
yeah that's that's the bonafide on that so

936
01:36:19,090 --> 01:36:25,000
um proof is in the pudding I love proof like
that yep yep it seems like we're entering

937
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:32,159
a new phase man of uh acknowledgment that
there are UFO crash retrieval programs uh

938
01:36:32,159 --> 01:36:36,190
and that hopefully we will find the truth
behind some of these and I think you're right

939
01:36:36,190 --> 01:36:42,100
I think the public is ready and and and can
handle the truth of what these things are

940
01:36:42,100 --> 01:36:47,989
we've been through a lot in the world especially
in the past few years I think we can handle

941
01:36:47,989 --> 01:36:54,139
um anything that could possibly benefit humanity
and give us a greater understanding of kind

942
01:36:54,139 --> 01:37:01,580
of where we lay in this Cosmic agenda I guess
so I I look forward just as you do to hopefully

943
01:37:01,580 --> 01:37:07,190
more of these whistleblowers coming forward
feeling empowered to do that and to uh and

944
01:37:07,190 --> 01:37:13,790
to show that you know the truth will out someday
somehow and maybe it'll be within your lifetime

945
01:37:13,790 --> 01:37:18,350
in my lifetime oh I would love absolutely
love to see it would love to see it in my

946
01:37:18,350 --> 01:37:25,989
lifetime just to uh just to say ah do it okay
that's cool exactly man hey let's leave on

947
01:37:25,989 --> 01:37:32,330
that hopeful note um the future looks bright
I can't wait to see what comes of the the

948
01:37:32,330 --> 01:37:38,199
new metals that you guys found out there hopefully
we'll get those tests and Analysis done um

949
01:37:38,199 --> 01:37:42,540
I just want to say you know no matter what
happened with the results of the tests we

950
01:37:42,540 --> 01:37:48,830
had done um working with you was one of the
greatest pleasures of my life you gave us

951
01:37:48,830 --> 01:37:54,690
a tour of the international UFO Museum I got
to see where you work you brought me to the

952
01:37:54,690 --> 01:38:03,630
UFO one of the the mecca of UFO sites um it
was just an incredible few days that will

953
01:38:03,630 --> 01:38:09,099
literally stay with me until my dying day
so no matter what was found out there what

954
01:38:09,099 --> 01:38:15,869
it is what it isn't um it it enriched my life
more than I could possibly ever convey on

955
01:38:15,869 --> 01:38:21,929
a stupid television show um so I do want to
thank you for giving me that opportunity and

956
01:38:21,929 --> 01:38:27,820
and trusting me with that and um yeah yeah
I want to thank you for coming on somewhere

957
01:38:27,820 --> 01:38:35,040
in the skies today so yeah if you have any
last words please my pleasure I I enjoy I

958
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:42,080
enjoy I enjoyed working with you Brian I really
have and uh it was uh I freely share whatever

959
01:38:42,080 --> 01:38:48,440
I know anybody that asks I give it to him
same to you sing to everybody else so um godspeed

960
01:38:48,440 --> 01:38:54,050
that's all I can say on that one so thank
you very much for your kind words thanks Frank

961
01:38:54,050 --> 01:38:58,860
and for any of our listeners or viewers who
might want to uh reach out to you is that

962
01:38:58,860 --> 01:39:03,270
something you're willing to give any contact
information for oh no that's fine you know

963
01:39:03,270 --> 01:39:08,690
what um I'm open to that if they just don't
like like blow me out of the water uh they

964
01:39:08,690 --> 01:39:14,400
can go through Facebook messenger that's fine
that's always kind of a safe way to go um

965
01:39:14,400 --> 01:39:21,080
or you can we can sometimes a little reluctant
to give out emails but people can find my

966
01:39:21,080 --> 01:39:26,170
email easy enough if they want to so you know
I'm out on Facebook you can uh you can message

967
01:39:26,170 --> 01:39:31,119
me and it'll come through and I'll see it
and I'll say that's probably the safer way

968
01:39:31,119 --> 01:39:36,840
to go otherwise uh who knows what kinds of
things that'll come in I mean it's easy to

969
01:39:36,840 --> 01:39:41,240
get emails and people can since they know
I work at the New Mexico Military Institute

970
01:39:41,240 --> 01:39:44,940
I shouldn't say I should just give it out
because they can contact me there as well

971
01:39:44,940 --> 01:39:49,949
but um my information is out there but you
know go through go through Messenger and Facebook

972
01:39:49,949 --> 01:39:54,650
I mean you've done that everybody's done that
it works and it's kind of a safe way to go

973
01:39:54,650 --> 01:39:59,290
without divulging everything then I say oh
this looks like a pretty flaky person I can

974
01:39:59,290 --> 01:40:04,300
just kind of know absolutely and guys if you
want to reach out to me I'd always be willing

975
01:40:04,300 --> 01:40:10,560
to relay something to Frank if you need to
smell if you have any leads on Crash debris

976
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:16,199
or or people he can speak to or or even Laboratories
that would be willing to work with him um

977
01:40:16,199 --> 01:40:20,460
reach out to me I'll reach out to Frank um
let's let's work together on all of this that's

978
01:40:20,460 --> 01:40:26,260
what I always tell people absolutely yeah
it's the way to go all right my friend I'm

979
01:40:26,260 --> 01:40:30,949
going to say good night thank you so much
for your time tonight and thank you for joining

980
01:40:30,949 --> 01:40:32,340
me on somewhere in these guys my pleasure